The Book was Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH. The movie was The Secret of NIMH. The podcast is both and oh so much more. Join us for a conversation about the differences and the similarities, about altruism and cooperation, and about how our heroine is trolled by the patriarchy. And, yes, there's both a shout out to Star Trek and The L Word because Kaylia is that kind of queer nerd.